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Bennison, 1987 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* The German Origins - The Lüpps of Hesse-Nassau Victor L. Bennison [A draft of a chapter from "The Early Loop Family in America", in preparation, (c) 1987] Almost all the Loops, Leupps, and Lüpps of America are descendants of Anthony Lüpp of Bach in the parish of Bad Marienberg in the Hesse-Nassau region of Germany. He was born in the late 1500's and died before 1646. He was the patriarch of a large clan of Lüpps which became established in the parish. By the early 1700's the Palatine region (which contains Bad Marienberg parish) had become poverty stricken and overpopulated. Around 1724 the Lüpps, began to disperse in search of more promising circumstances, first to East Prussia where some stayed, and then to America. By the late 1750's there were only a few Lüpp families remaining in the parish of Bad Marienberg. We do not know the name of Anthony Lüpp's wife. The extant parish registers of Bad Marienberg parish begin in 1646. Anthony has clearly died by that time, as he is listed as deceased in the marriage records of his children. No death record appears for his wife after 1646, so that it is likely that she has died previously, though it is also possible that she remarried or moved elsewhere. Anthony had four sons that we know about, Anthony (or Tönges), Christian, Sebastian (or Bast), and August (or Jost). It is likely that there were no other surviving sons, as had there been such, they probably would have shown up in the Bad Marienberg parish registers as godparents for the children of their brothers or sisters (unless they lived very far away). These four sons produced for Anthony at least thirteen grandsons who lived to be married. Most of the Lüpps were farmers. Two or three of them, however, were schoolmasters or schoolteachers, and three brothers were silversmiths in New Jersey, which trade they probably learned in Germany. Anthony's sons and grandsons for the most part lived in the many little villages scattered around the parish town of Bad Marienberg. These towns were Pfuhl, Hof, Bach, Ritzhausen, Langenbach, Ilfurt, Fehl, Eichenstruth, Unnau, Erbach, and others. It appears to have been a tradition during that period that when a man married, he moved to his wife's town. Perhaps part of her dowry was some land or at least a livelihood working on the father-in-law's farm. Whenever a male Lüpp married a woman from another parish, he subsequently disappears from the Bad Marienberg parish records, though he might appear occasionally as a godparent for his relatives or friends. We know of only two lines of descent from Anthony Lüpp that lead to American immigrants. Anthony's son Sebastian was the father of Jacob, who was the father of immigrants Christian, Gerlach, Martin, and Sebastian. Anthony's son August Lüpp, had a son Henrich, who had a son Johan Henrich (a schoolmaster), who was the father of immigrant Ludwig Lupp and also of an Anthony Lupp who was probably the Anthony of Adams County, PA. Ludwig also had a brother Henrich who may have been the Henrich Lupp who arrived in Philadelphia in 1754. These two lines, leading to these six or seven immigrants account for most of the Lupps, Loops and Leupps in America, then and now. We will follow these two lines in the remainder of this chapter. Anthony Lüpp's son Sebastian fathered at least fifteen children by two wives. Ten of those children were males. At least six or seven of his sons married and produced families. His first three children were born in Bad Marienberg, after which he removed to Pfuhl where he lived until his death. He was apparently an important lay person in the church as his name appears in the parish notes many times [I haven't gotten these passages translated yet.] Sebastian Lüpp's son Johann Jacob fathered eighteen children by two wives. Only four of the eighteen were males, but all of the males survived to produce families, and all four sons emigrated to America at early dates. For this reason, I would estimate that this Jacob Lüpp is the common ancestor of well over half of the Loops in America (and probably all those with the spelling Leupp). Jacob moved to Langenbach when he married his first wife who was from that town. He remained there until about 1724, when he moved to East Prussia along with many of his fellow parishioners including quite a few Lüpp familes. By 1728, however, he was back in Langenbach, and he died there in 1732. Henrich is Jost's son (I think, fix this) Anthony's son Henrich fathered seven children by two wives. Five of his children were males. Of these, at least two married. He was born and died in Hof. Henrich's son Johann Henrich Lüpp fathered twelve children by his one wife. Of those, at least seven were males, though we only know that two of these married. We know that three and possibly four died young. Johann Henrich Lüpp was a schoolmaster, and a much respected man in the parish. He was asked to serve as Godfather for many children in the parish, not just for those of relatives as was typical. He was born and died in Hof. We know that two of his sons, Ludwig and Anthony, emigrated to America and possibly a third, Henrich. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. I searched the Emmerichenhain parish registers. There is very little to report. Emmerichenhain is the parish in which Johann Wilhelm Lupp and his wife Anna Maria Jung lived, and also where Christopher Lupp and Anna Elisabeth Turck were married. There is only one Lupp christening, for a son of Christopher, Johann Christian Lupp. There are no Lupp burials that I was able to find, though I am not quite through searching. Christopher, Wilhelm and their wives appear (though rarely) as sponsors for other people's children. [George Capes - I found nothing on your Kupfer's (Coopers) that Hank Jones didn't already send you.] 1706 - 1 JUN, Christoph Lupp of Fehl married to Johannes Turck's daughter of Nister. 1707 - Anna Maria, Wilhelm Lupp's wife of Hof is sponsor for a daughter of Johannes Rubmann and Elisabeth Catherina. 1711 - Anna Elisabeth, Christoffel Lupp's wife of Neiderrosbach is a sponsor for a son of Johann Rubmann (Rubsamen?) and Elisabeth Catherina. 1712 - Dom 2 Trin, 5 Jun [?] Christoph Lupp, Sergeant, and Ann Elisabeth his wife of Neiderrosbach, a son christened, Johannes Christiannus. Sponsors: 1. Johannes Steupp ___?___ of Illfurth. 2. Christian Turck, Johannes Turck's son of Nister. 3. Anna Elisabeth, Christoffel Jung's housewife of Weygandshain 4. Anna Maria, Johann Wilhelm Lupp's housewife of Hof. 1715 - Eva Maria, Christian Lupp's wife of Eichenstruth is a sponsor for a daughter of Johann Thomas Kopfer and Anna Catherina of Weiselstein. 1720 - Christoffel Lupp of Niederrosbach is a sponsor for Christoffel Turck, son of Jonas Turck and Anna Maria. 2. 10000 Vital Records of Central New York, by Bowman: 5430 Civilian Loop, 40 died 11/19/33 in Elmira (Geneva Gazette of 11//27/33) 5431 Henry Loop m. Matilda McKinstry in Hillsdale (Geneva Gazette of 2/9/31) 5432 Murray Loop m. Mary Ann Arnot, both of Painted Post, in Elmira (Geneva Gazette of 2/17/30 3. Vital records from the Massachusetts State Archives: Births: ?? JUN 1844 - Edward Loop - see group sheet for Augustus B. Loop 28 NOV 1849 - Pamelia Loope - see group sheet for William P. Loop 30 DEC 1857 - male child - see group sheet for William P. Loop 17 JAN 1853 - Lillian Loop - see group sheet for Augustus B. Loop 10 SEP 1861 - Harry Eugene Loop, born Upper Falls, to Jacoh H. and Melissa Loop, he an engineer born Ghent, NY, mother born New York City, residence Newtown. 23 JUN 1859 - Eliza Ann Loop, born Upper Falls, to Jacob H. and Melissa Loop, he an engineer born Ghent, NY, mother born New York City, residence Newtown. 22 JUL 1869 - Mary Loop, born Sheffield, John c. and Emily, residence Sheffield, father a laborer born Copaque, NY, mother born Copaque, NY. 7 SEP 1869 - Eugene Carter Loop born Williamstown to Arthur and Carrie Loop, residence Williamstown. Father a bookkeeper born Great Barrington, mother born Pittsfield. 14 SEP 1874 - Carrie Edith Loop born Williamstown to A. A. and Caroline (Carter) Loop, residence Williamstown. Father a Bookkeeper born Great Barrington, mother born Pittsfield. 12 OCT 1878 - Howard Loop born Pittsfield to Charles D. and Jennie (Osborne) Loop. Father an engineer born Great Barrington, mother born Chicago, residence Pittsfield. 18 JUN 1878 - Florence Estelle Loop, born Pittsfield to Arthur and Carrie E. (Carter) Loop, residence Pittsfield. Father a bookkeeper born Hillsdale, mother born Pittsfield. Marriages: 4 JUL 1851 - Joseph P. Loop, resident of Boston, age 27, a clerk, born VT, father's name Joseph Esther Hall, resident of Boston, age 29, born NH, father's name Thomas. First marriage for both, Rev. A. L. Stone of Boston. [This is a grandson of Philyer Loop of Vermont] 5 OCT 1868 - Arthur A. Loop and Caroline E. Carter, see family group sheet for Augustus B. Loop. 14 FEB 1871 - William Bates, res. of Blandford, age 24, farmer. Born Blandford to David and Elizabeth Bates Sarah M. Loop, res. of Hermon, NY, age 24, teacher. Born Hermon, NY to Van Renseler Loop. First marriage for each. J. Southworth, Justice of the Peace, Rome, NY. 6 DEC 1874 - John C. Knox, res. of Blandford, age 34, born Blandford to Chauncey G. and Maria Knox Isabelle Loop, res. of Blandford, age 24, born Hermon, NY to Van Renselar and Clarissa Loop first marriage for each. Aaron W. Field, Cong. Clergyman of Blandford. 3 OCT 1877 - Charles H. Lillie and Lillian A. Loop - see family group sheet for Augustus B. Loop. Deaths: 6 SEP 1849 - Julia Loop - see group sheet for William P. Loop. 29 MAY 1867 - Mary Valonia Loop - group sheet for Augustus B. Loop. 13 AUG 1868 - Henry Loop, widower, age 91-2-3, died of old age, farmer born NY State. 10 APR 1879 - Charles E. Loop - group sheet for Augustus B. Loop. 7 JUN 1879 - Eugene C. Loop, single age 9-9, tuberculosis of the brain, res. Pittsfield, born Williamstown to Arthur A. and Carrie E. Loop, they born Great Barrington and Pittsfield, respectively. 2 NOV 1888 - Arthur S. Loop, single aged 15-2-15, of Pulmonary Abscess, res. Great Barrington, a school boy, born St. Joseph, MO, to Charles E. Loop, born Great Barrington, and Jennie Loop, born Madison Wisc. ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. Who were the parents of Almond Loop, where and when were they born? Did he have any brothers and sisters? Almond was born 27 FEB 1828, in New York State, where? He was married in Bradford, Penn., to Mary Melissa Moore, 22 JAN 1850. They lived in Penn., until 1865 when they moved to Manchester, Iowa. He died 27 JUN 1912. I would like to know the parents of Mary Moore, where and when they were born. Mary was born in Jamestown, New York, 6 JAN 1836 and died 23 OCT 1901 in Iowa. - Vola Carter 5. Need maiden name, date/place of birth, date/place of death of Naomi (Barlow) Loop, wife of John L. Loop. Need date/place of birth, date/place of death of Ezra Loop, son of John L. and Naomi Loop. Ezra must have died between 1870 and 1880, probably in Richardson County, Nebraska. - Virginia L. Bachofer 6. [From the New York Biographical and Genealogical Record:] LOUP - WILSON. Parents and family of Mary Lane Loup, born about 1826, who married Robert B. Wilson of Bradford, [McKean County], Pennsylvania, about 1847, moved to Illinois 1858-1860, thence to Jessup, Iowa. - Mrs. R. J. Malone +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Robert Lupp's "The Lupp Family" contains information on what apparently is a late arriving Lupp family. In a 1960 letter from Irene C. Lupp, of Cannelton, Indiana, she says that Gustave Lupp came from Germany apparently in the mid-19th century. This Gustave had three sons: Gustave, Henry and Fred. Son Gustave was the father of Irene C. Lupp and Arthur F. Lupp. Son Henry Lupp was the father of a Gus Lupp. Grandson Arthur F. Lupp of Detroit was 66 years old in 1960. Grandson Gus Lupp of Chicago was also 66 in 1960. 2. Robert Lupp writes: You know, the funny thing about the spelling Leupp is that the "e" has been misplaced -- it should be LUEPP! [This is because, in German "eu" is pronounced something like "oy".] He goes on to say: Our family - or those living in Adams County used and mostly still use the pronounciation where the u is the same as the oo in "book". Those of us, however, who moved away at an impressionable age (19 for me) ultimately became frustrated by the inability of non-Pennsylvania-Germans to get it right. We ... gave up and switched to the u as in "up". That made for some funny situations at home when I would answer the phone. "No, Mr. Lupp (oo) is not home. This is his son, Mr. Lupp (up)." How do all the Loop's pronounce the name? Answer: Loop where the oo is pronounced as in "loop". Which is why, almost certainly, most Lupp's changed their spelling to either Loop or Leupp. 3. From "The Silversmiths of New Jersey" by Carl Williams, 1949: The Seven Lupps: The Lupp family was first represented in New Jersey by the brothers Christian, John, and Peter Lupp, natives of Germany. John Lupp arrived in America in October, 1751, and Christian and Peter were firmly established on New Jersey soil before 1760. They settled at Amwell, in Hunterdon County, near Ringo's Old Tavern, about six miles south of Flemington. Christian Lupp died at Amwell in 1763, and in his will, dated January 3rd of that year, mentioned his brothers John and Peter. John and Peter Lupp were silversmiths and founders of the two families in New Brunswick [NJ] who were represented by at least nine craftsmen... The writer has finally untangled and classified the complex genealogical connections between the large family of silversmithing Lups. John Lupp... had three sons who were silversmiths, viz., Charles, Lawrence and William Lupp. The business was carried on in the third generation by John H. Lupp, son of William. Peter Lupp was the father of Henry Lupp, who was active in New Brunswick in 1783. Henry was the master craftsman of the entire family, and his work displays considerable originality and freedom from the almost standard designs used by many of the silversmiths of his day... Silver by the numerous Lupps is not plentiful... The known examples of their work have been scattered in widely separated points throughout the United States and the writer regrets that he is not able to illustrate pieces by all seven makers. [Two of the nine were too recent to be included in this book.] [The sections of this book on each individual Lupp silversmith I have added to the appropriate family group sheets.]